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If you are maxing your coil at the temp then wattage doesn't adjust much, but if you make a coil that spreads the heat more you will not be hitting the limit as much and you will find the wattage is still the adjustment for vapour production.
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Ok, what would be a good example of a coil build that would "spread the heat"? I have some prebuilt TC coils here as well for a quick test. Not really sure what you are saying regarding maxing the coil at the temp, isn't that the whole idea of TC? Getting to the desired temp and staying there for the duration of the puff.
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I am not trying to preach to anyone or tell people my way is the only valid way, just answering a question here.

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Ok, what would be a good example of a coil build that would "spread the heat"? I have some prebuilt TC coils here as well for a quick test.

In general one with more contact area between the wick and coil, normally that means a few more wraps, but you could have change wire size.   If you use the SteameEngine coil calc the equates to keeping the heat flux low.
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Not really sure what you are saying regarding maxing the coil at the temp, isn't that the whole idea of TC? Getting to the desired temp and staying there for the duration of the puff.

I mean vaping at the temp limit by maxing the coil at the temp, lots of people vape like that and that's fine and you have to if you want fast heat up and the mod doesn't have pre-heat.  Imaging your coil has 6 wraps and you like it hitting the temp limit quickly at say 40 W if you look in device manager it will settle at a lower wattage, say 30 W.  You should find a larger coil say 8-9 wraps vape as well or better at 30 W and only hits the temp limit now and again, but vaping like that the wattage will work as the vapour adjustment as it does in non temp limiting mode.  Many people vape the other way, there is no right or wrong and as James said not all atomisers allow you to do it and you just end up at the temp limit.  I choose the temp by the liquid for flavour and not the build, which is why I try and stick to operating this way, can't always do it though YMMV.

Temp Limiting was developed to prevent the liquid being subjected to temperature over a set threshold and not to stay at the temperature.  It is the coil temp that is limited not the vapour and the liquid has a fixed vaporisation temp.  I believe that the improved flavour is not from staying at that temp, but rather from never exceeding it. Once the liquid on the wick is heated it can trigger chemical reactions that we see by a change in colour and these would change the flavour to.  So as long as I am getting enough vapour and stop the liquid getting too hot I'm happy.

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. . . and have come to use the temperature protection to achieve 'absolutely the maximum possible amount of vapor for this atomizer, while keeping at a safe level'. That's fair, but it would be better if the atomizer design was such that you never needed to hit such high temperatures to get good amounts of vapor.


I think realistically, many if not most people sooner or later either most of the time or at least at times try to wring maximum possible performance from an atomizer/build. Once you get accustomed to "more" the tendency is to want "MORE." This trend is readily observable in each next turn of atty design (like every two weeks it seems lol ) and in the demand for boards that can deliver as many as . . . 200 watts. [wink]

One attraction of temp control is to be able to get best possible performance (admittedly assumed to mean ever larger amounts of high density vapor) while avoiding excessive temps (excessive meaning either adversely affecting strength/quality of flavor or producing a harsh flavor which usually includes nasty juice decomposition byproducts). Another plus is the ability to set a temp that delivers the flavor performance desired, which is almost always a lower temp than max vapor output.

As the temp setting necessarily affects power, I can get the vape I want by adjusting either. My choice is to adjust temp and allow the device to do what it's supposed to by limiting temp through its modulation of power. To me (and many others) I don't need to be warned that it's doing what it's supposed to do. [smile]

Luckily, you guys allow that to be configured so we can turn the warning off.

Now if we could just get the up/down to adjust temp instead of power as another configurable setting . . . and allow configuration of the temp bump per press . . . (should I duck lol).
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I also see the "temperature protected' message more as information (that the temperature is regulated), than as an error message.

In my opinion the biggest advantage of TC is not Dry-hit/high-temp prevention while trying to get the biggest clouds but hitting the sweetspot of evaporation for the duration of the puff (and thus getting the best flavor out of the juice).
I made the simplified picture below explaining this benefit on a Dutch forumboard some time ago.
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Off course, this is my opinion. Everybody can use the settings he/she likes best.

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I still would love to be able to adjust the tempo with the + and - and switch the temp to the wattage section when in temp mode
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I like being able to adjust wattage easily in temp mode.  If this idea of adjusting temp with +/- is added please make it an option and not an only default.


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I would like to see an appart screen for no liquid Tbh

Just cause temp prot message is stil not means your wick is dry
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I would like to see an appart screen for no liquid Tbh

Just cause temp prot message is stil not means your wick is dry
 
I don't see the point of a ''dry wick'' message. Surely you know when your wick is dry because you'll get no flavour /vapor? When I'm using one of my dripper that's how I know when I have to drip.


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I also see the "temperature protected' message more as information (that the temperature is regulated), than as an error message.

In my opinion the biggest advantage of TC is not Dry-hit/high-temp prevention while trying to get the biggest clouds but hitting the sweetspot of evaporation for the duration of the puff (and thus getting the best flavor out of the juice).
I made the simplified picture below explaining this benefit on a Dutch forumboard some time ago.
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Off course, this is my opinion. Everybody can use the settings he/she likes best.

I think your diagram illustrates the benefits of temperature controlled (limited) vaping perfectly.


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With my very limited knowledge on vaping, I have a DNA200 and get this temp warning. Looking in Escribe I see it occurs when there is a conflict between temp setting and wattage setting.

If the wattage setting tries to push temp past the temp setting the temp protect warning triggers and lowers wattage to keep temp at set temp. Mostly this will occure with a low temp setting, occurring more and faster the higher the wattage setting.

Low wattage settings will take longer to hit temp warning high settings faster but once temp setting and temp protect warning pops the wattage setting is no longer relevant as the chip will drop wattage to protect the temp setting...

If I'm not mistaken this is True Temperature Control.
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It would be cool if we got the real time temp when NOT in TC mode, escribe shows the coil hit the wattage setting and flatline on it. Wattage is flat but temp of the coil is not. With TC the wattage will vary but temp stays relatively flat.it would be nice to see what temps look like on a wattage setting puff.
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Ok i read through this forum and my problem is similar to the original problem. i have a lava box dna 200 useing a sub tank mini with the Ni200 coil packs. the mod worked for a little while then randomly started acting dumb. when it reads the ohms its usualy like .5 off or so ive tried several new Ni200 coils bought a whole new subtank mini and tried kanthol coils same thing. the big problem is when using Ni (set to 350F and 29w) when hit it only goes up to about 8w before flashing the Temperature Protected warning. I tried to get some help from volcano cigs and the support said "You may need to change the temperature protection settings in your device. The ohms will change when in temperature control mode." im stumped and id realy like to use my $170 mod lol. thanks for any help.  
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Ok i read through this forum and my problem is similar to the original problem. i have a lava box dna 200 useing a sub tank mini with the Ni200 coil packs. the mod worked for a little while then randomly started acting dumb. when it reads the ohms its usualy like .5 off or so ive tried several new Ni200 coils bought a whole new subtank mini and tried kanthol coils same thing. the big problem is when using Ni (set to 350F and 29w) when hit it only goes up to about 8w before flashing the Temperature Protected warning. I tried to get some help from volcano cigs and the support said "You may need to change the temperature protection settings in your device. The ohms will change when in temperature control mode." im stumped and id realy like to use my $170 mod lol. thanks for any help.  
the premade kanger ni200 coils were janky at best (the horizontal coils were pretty bad for tc, i'm not sure how the new vertical ni200 coils perform.) 350° F is very low for a temp setting. i usually vape in the 480°F - 550°F. i don't use kanger coils anymore because they were so inconsistent when it came to the vape quality. also make sure you "mod resistance" is set correctly in escribe. it's best to test your specific mod's res but, 0.007 seems to be the average for the lavavbox.

when your subtank is at room temp, with a ni200 kanger coil installed, what is the cold ohm reading on your lavabox. it should close to .15 (.14 - .17 is also normal).  

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Ok i read through this forum and my problem is similar to the original problem. i have a lava box dna 200 useing a sub tank mini with the Ni200 coil packs. the mod worked for a little while then randomly started acting dumb. when it reads the ohms its usualy like .5 off or so ive tried several new Ni200 coils bought a whole new subtank mini and tried kanthol coils same thing. the big problem is when using Ni (set to 350F and 29w) when hit it only goes up to about 8w before flashing the Temperature Protected warning. I tried to get some help from volcano cigs and the support said "You may need to change the temperature protection settings in your device. The ohms will change when in temperature control mode." im stumped and id realy like to use my $170 mod lol. thanks for any help.  


sorry to put my two penneth worth in but..
not the best of attys for the money you pay, bottom center pin doesn't make a sound contact with whatever you screw into or onto it, (replacement coil or coil deck base doesn't meet the top of that center pin very well) -- (if your connections are not solid you may get temp protect flashing up before any vapour)
pull the centre pin out
put a blob of solder on the top of it
put it back in
then when you screw in your build deck you can see you have a solid connection because the centre pin will get pushed .5mm out the bottom of the atty.

you will never get a sound reading until you have established a sound consistent connection.

I also own two sub tanks and also two lemo v2, and had to lengthen the bottom pins from new straight out the box before even bothering to put near a mod,
also the pre-built coils ive seen are so tightly wicked they don't perform very well with high vg juice, no flow, good for supporting hair thin wire from distorting, but nothing els..
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