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blueridgedog

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Well, it looks like Evolve are not interested in further developing and investing in DNA200 chip. With the speed they react to our requests DNA200 will be obsolete very soon if it is not already..... Just get RX200 and forget it...............


There has been several version of escribe and lots of beta firmware on this forum.  Failing to address this issue, in your opinion, negates the responsiveness of the firm entirely?

This is a significant change and will probably be rolled out, but right now I know that Evolv is working on a research project, digesting the draft FDA rules and analyzing the first corpus of significant data from the first round of chip replacements.  This request has to be important, but admittedly of low priority at the moment.
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Well, it looks like Evolve are not interested in further developing and investing in DNA200 chip. With the speed they react to our requests DNA200 will be obsolete very soon if it is not already..... Just get RX200 and forget it...............


There has been several version of escribe and lots of beta firmware on this forum.  Failing to address this issue, in your opinion, negates the responsiveness of the firm entirely?

This is a significant change and will probably be rolled out, but right now I know that Evolv is working on a research project, digesting the draft FDA rules and analyzing the first corpus of significant data from the first round of chip replacements.  This request has to be important, but admittedly of low priority at the moment.


Agreed but it would have been nice if they had even responded to the request; afaik there hasn't been an official reply from them. It also doesn't take long to change something like this. If i's only a matter of time I guess they're quite low on resources.
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yea i dont think anyone is upset that it hasnt happened yet. we are disappointed at the lack of communication. there is a huge chunk of this forum who have asked for this feature. there are many others who have posted elsewhere who have wanted this feature. something as small as "this will be released in a future update" would be all we need for the time being. 
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It takes about 15s to change the temp so is hardly much of an inconvenience.

I understand why this is a desirable feature for many. I'm a temp limiting vaper but think this should be incorporated as an option.
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I would LOVE to see this.

I don't use temp control very often.  So I have to remove it from my "fields" otherwise I have - - - for temperature.  It would be nice if the device is not in temp control mode to put the user selected field -- if it is in temp control mode display wattage.  Sort of how the RX_Clone is setup.
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I think this is the single most important feature that needs to be implemented if evolv ever bless us with an update.

I bought my dna200's specifically to use them with stainless steel builds but because of the way ss fluctuates so much you have to adjust temp regularly to get a consistent experience.

I've tried every kind of ss build in every type of rda and with all of them I find myself needing to adjust the temp all the time.

It's such a shame that the on board menu system on the joyetech devices makes them so much more useable for tc than the dna. If it wasn't for the ability to switch profiles for different rda's my dna's would be sitting in the draw unused until we get an update to turn them from temp limiting devices to temp control ones.
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It takes about 15s to change the temp so is hardly much of an inconvenience.

I understand why this is a desirable feature for many. I'm a temp limiting vaper but think this should be incorporated as an option.
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It takes about 15s to change the temp so is hardly much of an inconvenience.

I understand why this is a desirable feature for many. I'm a temp limiting vaper but think this should be incorporated as an option.


Really?

Wattage example
Anemic vape
Hold to unlock power
Increase watts puff ..bit more
Increase watts puff little bit too much
Lower watts .. Perfect
Hold to lock power

Temp example
Anemic vape
Lock device
Hold to set temp
Increase temp
Unlock device
Puff .. Bit more
Lock device
Hold to set temp
Increase temp
Unlock device
Puff Little bit too much
Lock device
Hold to set temp
Lower temp
Unlock device
Puff ..., mm mm tastes like it would be perfect in between this and the higher one ( about 5 degrees more!
Drives home
Turns on laptop
Signs in
Opens escribe
Connects device
Changes temp on escribe by +5 degrees
Puff ... Perfect


So scooby, maybe I have gone to extremes here but my point is yes, to change it once is 15 seconds but how often do you adjust a setting and it is perfect the first time!

It is a shame that the best temperature control device on the market is set up to adjust power as the default! Almost as if the temp control was a second thought!



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It takes about 15s to change the temp so is hardly much of an inconvenience.

I understand why this is a desirable feature for many. I'm a temp limiting vaper but think this should be incorporated as an option.
Really? Wattage example Anemic vape Hold to unlock power Increase watts puff ..bit more Increase watts puff little bit too much Lower watts .. Perfect Hold to lock power Temp example Anemic vape Lock device Hold to set temp Increase temp Unlock device Puff .. Bit more Lock device Hold to set temp Increase temp Unlock device Puff Little bit too much Lock device Hold to set temp Lower temp Unlock device Puff ..., mm mm tastes like it would be perfect in between this and the higher one ( about 5 degrees more! Drives home Turns on laptop Signs in Opens escribe Connects device Changes temp on escribe by +5 degrees Puff ... Perfect So scooby, maybe I have gone to extremes here but my point is yes, to change it once is 15 seconds but how often do you adjust a setting and it is perfect the first time! It is a shame that the best temperature control device on the market is set up to adjust power as the default! Almost as if the temp control was a second thought!

He said he saw your point before you made it.   The going into Escribe to change the temp by less than 10 F is a separate point and there is a feature request for that.

Each to there own I feel it should be an option, personally I set temp to suit the liquid and use preheat & watts to adjust the amount of vapour, but like scooby have no problem with people using it another way. 

IMO anaemic vape is more likely a arty or build issue than temperature setting, but YMMV.

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I think vapingbad said it all, but in answer to your question: I rarely adjust the temp for a given build/juice. Wattage is pretty constant also but I would adjust that more than the temp.
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Lol I thought VB would join in,
I agreed with you yesterday regarding temperature needing to be in smaller increments.

But I know you are in the power adjustable vape camp!
If you were to try one of the temp control devices that have the temp interface as the main you will see what every poster that has requested this is going on about.

After all the DNA 200 is primarily marketed as a temp control device, not a VW device
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I just don't understand why you feel that people need to be in different camps lewisss.
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I think this subject has drawn out long enough, if evolv do not implement it in the next update I feel it will be a wasted opportunity.


I will try my hardest not toget dragged into this topic again.

I just find it odd how someone asks for a fairly simple change in the way the device can be used. Which I think is a fair enough request as per most of the other software/firmware requests.

And this particular subject gets responses from "you are doing it wrong, " "you should use wattage not temp for adjusting the vape"
" temp does flavour wattage does vapour"

Well I have tried both ways on four different 'temp control devices,.... And I know which way I prefer to change my vape experience

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I thought I would give some information on temperature control so that people understand the logic behind both "camps". There are two different ideas of how to use temperature control. They really are completely different.

Before we talk about the "camps", I want to explain a couple things. Voltage and wattage are not directly related to vapor. Vapor is produced by heat which is measured using Celsius or Fahrenheit. You might think you like to vape at 50W or 5V but the truth is you don't, you like to vape at the temperature curve (curve because the temperature is not constant) that 50W or 5V produces with your setup. That might make some people mad, but please understand if I heated the juice up using some magical power and made the temperature curve exactly the same as your device does at your setting, you would not notice a difference, I promise.

Now, here is a breakdown of each "camp".

Temperature Control: The idea here is simple: I like to vape at x temperature. I want my coil to be at exactly that temperature my entire vape. I want it to get there as quickly as possible and I want it to stay there no matter how long my hit is. A 1 second hit will behave the same as a 10 second hit (excluding the very beginning where is takes a short period of time to reach temperature). With this attitude, wattage/voltage is irrelevant to the user. The wattage/voltage should be set to the highest possible for the device (DNA 200 is 200W). Your preheat setting is irrelevant because you have the device set to it's maximum wattage/voltage. This is how devices that only allow you to set temperature work (i.e. the iStick 40W). The device applies as much power as it needs to get the coil to your temperature as quickly as possible. With this "camp" of vaping, having the wattage on the screen at all is useless (unless you want to see the live wattage as you take a hit). If you want less vapor you lower the temperature; if you want more vapor you raise the temperature.

Temperature Limiting: The idea here is not quite as simple: I like to vape with a temperature curve, not a constant temperature. This is more similar to kanthal or no temperature vaping. A 1 second hit will behave very differently than a 10 second hit. Here you are primarily adjusting in wattage/voltage. This allows you to define the temperature curve: lower wattage = smaller slope, higher wattage = greater slope, just like kanthal vaping. Temperature is used as a limit. Without it the coil would continue to heat up eventually resulting in burning. On short hits you might not ever hit your temperature setting. The temperature setting is for longer hits or empty tanks (longer is subjective, you might hit your temperature limit on every hit). If you want less vapor you lower the wattage/voltage; if you want more vapor you raise the wattage/voltage. This increases or decreases, respectively, the time it takes for the coil to heat which results in different amount of vapor. Remember, you are changing the wattage/voltage to change the temperature, not because wattage/voltage actually change the vape by themselves.

Clearly for the people in the "temperature control camp", having temperature as the main control setting on the DNA 200 is quite important. Those in the "temperature limiting camp" might want wattage to be the main control setting. For this reason, I think it should be added as an option. Realistically, it only needs to be changed using Escribe as *most* users will have a preference and not need to change on the go. Obviously it is nice to be able to change settings directly on the device, but I think other features are more important.

I did my best to be as factual as possible. Please don't get mad if you disagree. We all have different vaping styles and no one style is better than any other, but at the end of the day, the temperature of the juice is all that matters.

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Repeat  previously posted " Just make it an option".  I don't need it but others want it. Preface that sometimes something seems simple to implement but in reality it may require a lot more. [thumb]
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