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Margucci

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there are many wires listed including some which are proprietary as well. however, they are all the "known" vaping wires. if you want to make a suggestion there is an about page with instructions on giving feedback and suggesting changes. here is the link: http://www.steam-engine.org/about.asp
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Yeah I know, it's my page. [smile]

If you find the TCR For R41, I can add it to the list.

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ah. your username completely slipped my mind. great tool. 

i actually had a question for you. i was wondering if you had any personal experience using hybrid wires in TC mode. i am considering making a hybrid Ni/SS clapton with a 28GA Ni core with 32GA SS wrap. the idea is to stabilize the TC with the Ni core while maintaining the flavor of SS. i have asked around in a few areas and nobody has personal experience that they are willing to share. 
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I tried twisting 28ga Kanthal with 28ga Ni200. It tasted terrible. I don't know why, but I'm guessing it was because I twisted it too tightly so the Ni200 stretched and developed hotspots. Also, the Kanthal didn't have any heat flux to speak of; the Ni200 did all the work.

Then I tried claptoning 30ga Ni200 around some 26-ish gauge Kanhtal. Again, the current mostly flowed through the Ni200, leading to poor performance. I've since learnt that you should make sure most of the heat is produced in the core of the clapton.

I did this before I made the Wire Wizard, so I had no idea what I was doing at the time. I haven't gotten around to experimenting much with hybrid coils since. Yes, I'm aware that's kind of ironic considering how much time I've spent making a tool for calculating them... [biggrin]

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well, im looking forward to trying the 28GA Ni core and 32GA SS wrap as soon as my nickel wire is delivered in 14 days - 8 months from china. and thanks for the input. its along the lines of what i was thinking for making a clapton. allow the increased heat from the Ni to radiate outwards from the core to not only heat the SS wire but also because if it were the other way around the TCR curve would be almost that of SS (instead of Ni) and that would defeat the intended purpose to stabilize TC. 

your experience with twisting is interesting. i never through about the potential hotspots due to the stretching of the nickel wire causing issues. 
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Hello. First of all. Awesome job on Steam Engine. The best tool in the industry, in my opinion. Second thing is I wrap all of my Ni200 with the same size Kanthal. Do Not over twist it. Make sure that at the connections both wires are crimped. I had problems claptoning where TC was erratic. I now use a 28 GA Ni200 and 28 GA Kanthal, twisted in to a nice spiral. If you over twist it you can actually break down the thickness of the Ni200(because it is so soft) and ruin your experience. I twist @ 20-25 twists per inch. Make a spaced coil and it works out great. Taste is nice (I do not like the taste from Nickel) and TC is spot on. No burnt hits or burnt cotton. I wasted 100's of feet of wire to finally get something that worked well.
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how do you use steam E. for two types of wire twisii
how do you use steam E. for two types of wire twisted
I was woundering if you could tell me how to set up a twisted ni200 and Kanthal on steam engine

how do you use steam E. for two types of wire twisted
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how do you use steam E. for two types of wire twisii
how do you use steam E. for two types of wire twisted
I was woundering if you could tell me how to set up a twisted ni200 and Kanthal on steam engine

how do you use steam E. for two types of wire twisted

You don't need to do anything special for the material on the mod or on the Wire wizard page, twisted Ni is the same as single strand and Kanthal does not need the material setting as it will not be temp limited by the DNA 200. 

For the Coil Wrapping page there are boxes to set these in, but I don't think you meant this.

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thanks. do you think if i twisted ni200 and 316L SS would it run on ni200 and bump up my ohms maybe or ni200 and KA1
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thanks. do you think if i twisted ni200 and 316L SS would it run on ni200 and bump up my ohms maybe or ni200 and KA1


The wire wizard page is for creating the material's curve or TCR for mixed wire coils, I have not tried it so can't advise which mixes are best.  I am liking triple twisted 0.2 mm (32 AWG) Ni200 ATM, I find it easier to work with than say 0.4 mm (26 AWG) Ti and better flavour, strong enough to pull cotton through while just soft enough to tweak the spacing in a couple of seconds) YMMV.

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now i use a wizmec when i twist two 28g ni200 it has a hard time reading it without the temp and watts jumping all over the place are my ohms to low or something in that nature
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Sounds like you do not have solid connections Smoky, you need all the strands firmly clamped at both ends and spaced coils are less problematic, maybe tighter twists will help to. I mainly use dual coils twisted Ni200 from 34 AWG to 29 AWG 2 and 3 strand with few problems since the DNA40 was introduced.
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Will there ever be an option for say tiger wire?  I'm having a hard time trying to get tiger wire set up properly in either the wire wizard or the coil builder.  Also, by downloading the CSV for say, Ti01, is the TCR number included within the file?  I have heard that for a more accurate TC vape, you should CSV the wire type and then I had to go find the TCR number to input in escribe to get a more accurate TC vape.  Am I over complicating things or duplicating what the CSV file is already doing??

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Tiger wire, is that round wire and ribbon twisted together? Looking at some pictures, I'm just thinking that the ribbon deforms too much and too unpredictably, and I probably can't model it with any accuracy to speak of.

There is no TCR value per se in the CSV file. There is a "TCR in vaping range" value in the left hand box in the Wire Wizard, though. If you want to input a single TCR value in EScribe instead of uploading the CSV, you can use that one.


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Tiger wire, is that round wire and ribbon twisted together? Looking at some pictures, I'm just thinking that the ribbon deforms too much and too unpredictably, and I probably can't model it with any accuracy to speak of.



Yes like for instance, I use 24g Kanthal with .8 x .1 Kanthal ribbon wire and twist those 2 together.  I haven't been able to duplicate it on steam engine.

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There is no TCR value per se in the CSV file. There is a "TCR in vaping range" value in the left hand box in the Wire Wizard, though. If you want to input a single TCR value in EScribe instead of uploading the CSV, you can use that one.



Cool I did not know that!  I was using the TCR numbers from djlsbvapes website.  I'll try these out though.
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